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Old 11-10-2016, 02:04 AM
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Seems from Crusader to Destiny are the albums that fans have balked at, which ones do you consider to be the worst, the best, and why...?
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Old 11-12-2016, 04:27 AM
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Well, here's my take; "Innocence is no Excuse" is the best of the lot, great production, solid tunes and one classic; "Broken Heroes." Next up is "Destiny", a lot better than I gave it credit for back in the day, just wasn't what I was looking for from Saxon at the time. Even then though, there were a few tracks that I liked, but even now, it lacks the killer track. Which brings us to one that does have the killer track, but not a whole lot else, that being "Crusader." "Sailing to America" is another fine cut, but after that it's rather pedestrian. Biff said a lot of people mistakenly thought it was going to be a conceptual album, too bad it wasn't, may have been a monster of an lp! Lastly is "Rock the Nations", horrid production, and not much in the way of good songs anyway. Then you have the great Elton John appearing on the worst song ever recorded by Saxon!
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Old 11-12-2016, 08:45 PM
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I remember being so disappointed with Crusader. The title track itself was great but the sound was so watered down. The rest of the songs were pretty weak. I remember buying 'Sailing to America' on 12" purely for the artwork.... it looked great on my wall!

Innocence was the same. It tried to be too radio friendly and for me it was like they were turning their back on their fans. As for the songs, it was as though they had run out of ideas or were too high on their success to be bothered. I so wanted this album to be a good comeback but, for me it was horrible. Broken Heroes is a classic live.

I thought Nations started off well. The first three songs were a return to form i thought. It went downhill from there however and you are right, the sound isn't great.

Destiny... Well after being faithful and sticking with the band, i'm afraid this album was the final straw. I think i have only listened through its entirety once! I lost all patience and didn't buy another release by the band until this year!

I think i shall give these albums a listen through again soon. Its been a long long time since i have and maybe now i have mellowed enough to bear them!
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Old 11-13-2016, 09:56 AM
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Crusader is my fave saxon LP - every song is killer in my opinion!

the other 3 have moments.

the worst stuff from Saxon for me has to be some of the cuts from Forever Free and some of the more 'modern metal stuff' stuff that appears from time to time

and dont forget 'standing in a queue' closing an otherwise spotless LP
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Old 11-13-2016, 12:02 PM
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I like all these albums and I don't think of them as poor at all. Yes, they are different (softer, more pop rock than heavy metal) but the song writing is mostly still great. I could see how people reacted to them when they originally came out though, considering what came before.
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Old 11-13-2016, 02:01 PM
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and dont forget 'standing in a queue' closing an otherwise spotless LP
What? That is a great AC/DC cover!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM_WXKrK-iY
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the worst stuff from Saxon for me has to be some of the cuts from Forever Free and some of the more 'modern metal stuff' stuff that appears from time to time

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A case could be made for that, but I don't hear a modern metal vibe, more of a "back woods red-neck biker ten keg pig roast party rock!" A few of the cuts having an AC/DC vibe w/Biff sounding a lot like Bon Scott. Every time I think of that album I think of these two blokes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eGWW8KOQio
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Old 11-14-2016, 05:27 AM
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I like how Saxon fans can't agree on which albums are good or not so good. I'm not going to say bad because I don't think Saxon has a bad album (there was a time when I thought otherwise).

In my truck I usually have the hard drive shuffling ALL the studio tracks. Hearing all the songs randomly really works. Makes them more interesting. Geez if all the albums had the same "genre" (?) I'd get bored.

FWIW the Dogs Of War album sounds like a full on southern rock album to me.

Hey Candlemass, I enjoy your honest posts. Keep'em comin'.
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I remember being so disappointed with Crusader. The title track itself was great but the sound was so watered down. The rest of the songs were pretty weak. I remember buying 'Sailing to America' on 12" purely for the artwork.... it looked great on my wall!

Innocence was the same. It tried to be too radio friendly and for me it was like they were turning their back on their fans. As for the songs, it was as though they had run out of ideas or were too high on their success to be bothered. I so wanted this album to be a good comeback but, for me it was horrible. Broken Heroes is a classic live.

I thought Nations started off well. The first three songs were a return to form i thought. It went downhill from there however and you are right, the sound isn't great.

Destiny... Well after being faithful and sticking with the band, i'm afraid this album was the final straw. I think i have only listened through its entirety once! I lost all patience and didn't buy another release by the band until this year!

I think i shall give these albums a listen through again soon. Its been a long long time since i have and maybe now i have mellowed enough to bear them!
I completely agree with this post 100%.
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I was actually listening to Destiny today for the first time in years. Absolutely hated it when it came out, and is was the final straw for me as well. I gave up on them for a while at this point.

However, as I was listening today, I was imagining those songs being re-recorded with the current line-up and production team. Much like they did with the "Heavy Metal Thunder" and "Unplugged & Strung Up" albums; I think some of those songs would really come to life. Especially stuff like "S.O.S.", and pretty much everything on side 2. Biff's voice is much more powerful these days as well.

I know it's a long shot, but maybe somebody could run it by Biff & the boys? Would make for a great bonus cd on a future release, or even as a stand-alone cd imo.
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